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VACATIONS?

41716 6JUN88-0103 General Information
VACATIONS?
From: KENHALTER To: JIMREED

Wow! Your vacation sounds exciting! Where are you going next!?
The Persian Gulf? Or perhaps L.A.? Maybe you should post a message
in the forum to find out whether or not anyone has an UZI you can
borrow! Hey! Take it easy out there.
Ken Halter

33 comments to VACATIONS?

  • pucc_unknown

    41782 8JUN88-2217 General Information
    For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41716)
    From: RICKADAMS To: JIMREED

    Subject: USEFUL PHRASES TO KNOW WHEN TRAVELLING IN MOSLEM AREAS
    Date: 5 Jun 88 20:42:01 GMT

    USEFUL PHRASES TO KNOW WHEN
    TRAVELLING IN MOSLEM AREAS:

    AKBAR KHALI-KILI HAFTIR LOTFAN.
    Thank you for showing me your marvelous gun.

    FEKR GABUL CRADAN DAVAT PAEH GUSH DIVAR.
    I am delighted to accept your kind invitation to lie on the floor
    with my arms above my head and my legs apart.

    SHOMAEH FEKR TAMOMEH OEH GOFTEH BANDE.
    I agree with everything you have ever said or thought in your life.

    AUTO ARREREGH DAVATEMAN MANO SEPAHEH HAST.
    It is exceptionally kind of you to allow me to travel in the trunk
    of your car.

    FASHAL-EH TUPEHMAN NA DEGAT MANO GOFTAM CHEESHAYEH MOHEMARA
    JEBEHKESHVAREHMAN.
    If you will do me the kindness of not harming my genital appendages
    I will gladly reciprocate by betraying my country in public.

    KHREL JEPAHEH MANEH VA JAYEH AMERIKAHEY.
    I will tell you the names and addresses of many American spies
    travelling as reporters.

    BALLI, BALLI, BALLI!
    Whatever you say!

    MATERNIER GHERMEZ AHLEIEH, GHORBAN.
    The red blindfold will be lovely, excellency.

    TIEKH NUNEH OB KHRELEH BEZORG VA KHRUBE BOYAST INO BEGERAM.
    The water-soaked bread crumbs are delicious, thank you. I must have
    the recipe.

  • pucc_unknown

    41793 9JUN88-0103 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41782)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: RICKADAMS

    Tho humorous, the implication of that file that Arabs are crazy
    fanatical terrorists and that the United States is a moral,
    reasonable, law abiding country is rather grossly
    hypocritical. After all… Kadaffi never made any attempt
    to assinate Ronald Regan or members of his family. Yet
    Regan DID kill one of Kadaffi’s children, and a number of
    other civilians in a multimillion dollar operation that
    was a FAR more serious act of terrorism than any done by
    Lybia. Tho I have no great love for or trust in
    Kadaffi, I must say, having carefully read a lot of what
    he has said in public and compared it to statements on the
    same subject by Ronald Regan, that Muamar Kadaffi is a far
    saner, more reasonable person than our current Commander
    in Chief. That is not intended to say a great deal
    FOR Kadaffi, by the way!

    —marty

  • pucc_unknown

    41826 10JUN88-0020 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41782)
    From: JIMREED To: RICKADAMS

    Hey, Rick!

    I love the “terrorist phrase book” . . .

    . . . but to do me any good, it needs to be in phonics.

    I have these great Spanish phrases memorized, but if I get answered back
    in anything but English I am usually lost.

    — Jim

  • pucc_unknown

    41814 9JUN88-2229 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41793)
    From: COCONAUT To: MARTYGOODMAN

    WOULD RONALD REAGAN HAVE LEFT
    HIS WIFE AND CHILDREN BEHIND
    AND FLED TO A SAFE HIDEOUT IF
    WASHINGTON, D.C. WERE ATTACKED.
    I THINK NOT! PERHAPS MR.
    KADAFFI IS SANE, BUT HE
    CERTAINLY HAS NO SENSE OF
    RESPONSIBILITY AND HE CERTAINLY
    DOES THINGS THAT DO NOT APPEAR
    TO BE SANE, SUCH AS DELIBERATELY
    PICKING FIGHTS WITH LARGE,
    POWERFUL NATIONS SUCH AS THE
    U.S.

    DOUGFISHER

  • pucc_unknown

    41827 10JUN88-0020 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41814)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: COCONAUT

    Oh… come ON! Ronald Regan does not stay GLUED to the immediate
    presence of his wife and children. No one does, nor is there
    any reason for them to.

    It is twisted logic indeed to blame Kadaffi for the
    terrorist assault Regan made on his family!!

    Kinda like blaming a rape victim as being responsible
    for the crime because she was walking down the street that
    the rapist was on.

    Make no mistake… the country you live in is as guilty
    of perpetrating and supporting acts of terror and slaughter
    of innocent civilians as any of the those it hypocritically
    condems for such acts. More so, actually, if you were to
    judge by numbers killed, or amount of dollars spent supportting
    terror. Figures? How’s one BILLION dollars a year
    sent to Israel to help them build atomic bombs
    and slaughter palestinian civilian? Any money
    Kadaffi ever gave to terrorists pales by comparison.
    What about the support our government gives to scum
    like the ruling elite in South Africa, Guatamala, and the like?
    Terrorist? Kid… you ain’t seen NOTHING until you can see
    the mass butchery that our CIA engineers in central and south
    america! Yes.. there are other nuts in the world.
    Many of the Arab states are insane theocracies, (and the others are insane
    Feudal states), and certainly
    they DO support various terrorist acts here and there.
    But there are no terrorists as murderous as those
    with their finger in the nuclear button of the US.

    —marty

  • pucc_unknown

    41926 11JUN88-2335 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41827)
    From: COCONAUT To: MARTYGOODMAN

    MARTY-
    WHILE I DO NOT APPROVE OF SOME
    OF THE THINGS THAT OUR GOV’T
    HAS DONE IN THE PAST, OR
    CONTINUES TO DO, IN TODAYS
    WORLD WE ARE FORCED INTO DOING
    THINGS WE DO NOT LIKE AS A
    MATTER OF SELF-PRESERVATION.
    IF YOU HAVE ANY DOUBTS ABOUT
    THE MORALITY OF THE US, JUST
    ASK ANY LIBYAN/AMERICAN,
    IRANIAN/AMERICAN, SOVIET/
    AMERICAN, VIETNAMESE/AMERICAN,
    ETC., ETC., AD INFINITUM WHERE
    THEY WOULD PREFER TO LIVE. I
    THINK THEIR PRESENCE HERE
    PROBABLY SHOULD ANSWER THAT
    QUESTION IN ADVANCE. AGAIN, AS
    TO COLONEL KADAFFI, WHAT SANE
    90# WEAKLY WOULD WALK UP AND
    KICK SUPERMAN IN THE SHIN?

    DOUGFISHER

  • pucc_unknown

    41940 12JUN88-0712 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41926)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: COCONAUT

    What sane superman would go around kicking OTHERS in the shin, eh?

    As for third worlders wanting to live here, that hardly proves
    this country is so wonderful.

    I mean, folks ALWAYS want to go to richer countries…
    regardless of whether the rich countries GOT rich
    by RAPING others.

    This country has made a long and consistant policy of
    supporting some of the most vicious butchers and rotten
    governments around the world, and overturning ones
    where the population rose up against these slime.
    It typically defends such practices as “fighting
    totaltarian communism”, and freely brands as
    “communist” anyone to the left of their appointed
    right wing strongmen. This policy has been especially
    consistent in Central and South America… and
    especially blatant as well.

    Like Stalin and Hitler, the government of the US
    repeadedly uses the approach of telling its public
    “The Big Lie”, and indulging in the most brazen
    hypocrisy. An excellent example is the current
    mania regarding the “immoral Drug Dealing Noriega”.
    Completely apart from the fact that the US was
    perfectly happy with Noriega and his drug dealins
    as long as he cooperated with the CIA, there is
    chosen to opposed various South Amercian governments
    that are riddled with cocaine trade king pins.
    Still more hypocritical is the very active
    participation in the heroin trade that the US
    secret services engaged in in the 60′s and ’70′s,
    bringing in great gobs of heroin from the “fertile
    traingle” in Southeast Asia. Or its more recent
    trading in drugs to help the Contra’s raise money.

    Our presidents have one after the other ranted
    and raved about “human rights violations” while
    at the same time violating more human rights
    than literally any other country on the planet.

    Time and again, the majority of nations were
    for rather forceful efforts to end apartheid
    in South Africa, but the US vehemently opposed
    weakening what was a strategically “friendly”
    government. It even looked the other way
    while Israel and France gave South Africa
    nuclear weapons technology.

    I urge you to look a bit more skeptically at the
    pronouncements of this government, and to do a bit of
    background reading… by authors on the right, the left,
    and in the center… on various areas, particularly
    Latin America.

    My own experience, after such study, is that this
    government lies just about as much to its population
    as does the Russian government lie to its people.
    Not really particularly more, or less.

    Oh, the press here is freer than in the Soviet Union,
    that is true. But the main press organs tend to
    voluntarily keep reasonably within the “party line”
    on most critical national issues.

    By the way… take a close look at this presidentail
    campaigne. You almost NEVER EVER hear ANYTHING
    about what positions one or another candidate takes
    on particular issues. Instead about 99% of the time
    spent by TV media discussing the candidates in the
    primaries and election is on rehashing of POLLS
    as to which one is leading, or on personal issues
    (Hart’s “infidelity”, or Bush being or not being
    a “whimp”, or whatever). Anyway, there is little
    choice, for both candidates in this upcoming
    election have the same demogogic and hypocritic
    line on drugs nationally and internationally,
    and both support continuing to keep right
    wing dictatorships in Latin America, and support
    toppling the govenments in those few places there
    where the butchers were oferthrown.

    Oh well!

    —marty

  • pucc_unknown

    41979 12JUN88-2248 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41940)
    From: COCONAUT To: MARTYGOODMAN

    PERSONALLY, I AM QUITE HAPPY TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY WHERE I AM
    FREE TO PRACTICE MY FAITH,
    WHERE I AM FREE TO EARN A
    LIVING AS A CHOOSE, AND WHERE
    I AM FREE TO LEAD MY LIFE AS I
    CHOOSE, PROVIDED IT IS NOT TO
    THE DETRIMENT OF OTHER CITIZENS.
    GRANTED, THE PROBLEMS WITH THIS
    COUR GOVERNMENT ARE MANY, BUT
    THIS IS PARTLY THE FAULT OF THE
    “WE THE PEOPLE FOR NOT TAKING
    (OR WANTING TO TAKE) A MORE
    ACTIVE ROLE IN ITS OPERATION.
    IF YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY, WHY
    DON’T YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
    THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT OUR
    FOREFATHERS INTENDED! I GET
    RATHER TIRED OF HEARING ABOUT
    HOW TERRIBLE OUR SYSTEM, OUR
    PRESIDENT AND OUR ELECTED
    REPRESENTATIVES ARE FROM PEOPLE
    WHO ARE UNWILLING TO MAKE AN
    EFFORT TO EFFECT A CHANGE.
    UNFORTUNATELY, THESE PEOPLE ARE
    TURNING THIS SYSTEM INTO A
    PEOPLLE BY THE GOVERNMENT, FOR
    THE GOVERNMENT, ETC. BY
    CONTINUING TO ELECT OFFICIALS
    THAT DO NOTHING BUT ENACT NEW
    CONTROLS OVER US AND DO FAVORS
    FOR OBSCURE SPECIAL INTEREST
    GROUPS.

    DOUGFISHER

  • pucc_unknown

    41984 13JUN88-0139 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41979)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: COCONAUT

    Doug,

    (1) I AM trying to do something about it by occasinally
    using this forum to air ideas different from those
    trumpeted by the countries mass propaganda organs.

    (2) You are free to do or say this or that ONLY so
    long as you do not threaten the power and privelege
    of those at the top of this system. IF it seems like
    you might, they will (as they have REPEATEDLY done in
    the past “investigate” you, harass you, or, if they
    feel it is necessary, frame you on trumped charges
    and send you to prison, or even just march on in and
    gun you and your family down in cold blood. All of these
    things have gone on repeatedly in this country.
    I admit that cold blooded murder of political opponents
    is practiced here rather seldom, but it IS done.
    Remember Fred Hampton?

    (3) I do agree that the US currently offers more civil
    liberties to those who do not rock the boat than
    most other countries. But again… I emphasize that
    the freedom is somewhat illusory. Look what
    happenned to that chap who sat on the railroad
    tracks a year ago to determ shipments of munitions
    to Central America? Did they stop the train and
    arrest him? NO. They ordered the train to run him
    down, the evidence indicates. Folks WANTED to SEND
    a MESSAGE to all would be protesters of this
    government’s butchery that even peaceful civil
    disobediance directed at this bloodsucking foriegn
    policy is NOT tolerated.

    Another problem with this “democracy” is the relative
    ignorance of the population. It is estimated that abouut
    a third of the population is functionally illiterate.
    (adult population). That fact, and the limited amout
    of real INFORMATION available about even presidential
    candidates during a national compaign, let alone
    local and state government officials, pretty well
    assures that MOST of the time there will be no
    serious challenge to mainstream policies. I note
    here that the illiteracy rate in this country
    is considerably HIGHER than in other “western”
    countries. So is, by the way, the infant
    mortality rate. Which is enormously high
    among blacks.

    But I’m digressing.

    You refrained to address the issue of the US government
    policy in Latin America or South Africa. Do you defend
    that policy? What do you know of it? From what sources?

    (I mention that issue because I started on that issue,
    because it is a very important one, and because
    it is something OTHER than the drug issue, which
    I may have beaten to death here of late).

    Care to comment?

    —marty

  • pucc_unknown

    42012 13JUN88-2304 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 41984)
    From: COCONAUT To: MARTYGOODMAN

    MARTY-
    OBVIOUSLY I DO NOT KNOW YOUR
    AGE, AS I HAVE NEVER SEEN YOU.
    AS YOUR PHILOSOPHIES AND MINE
    ARD THE GUESS THAT YOU ARE
    BETWEEN THE AGES OF 40 AND 45.
    PRETTY CLOSE, HUH? I GUESS I
    AM WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A MEMBER
    OF THE NEW CONSERVATIVE AGE ALA
    ALEX KEATON (30 YEARS OLD).
    MARTY, I MAY NOT ALWAYS AGREE
    WITH WHAT YOU AND OTHERS HAVE
    TO SAY, BUT I WOULD CERTAINLY
    O SAY IT. I KNOW THAT’S AN
    OLD PHRASE, BUT IT IS TRUE.

    AS TO CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AND
    THE TRAIN INCIDENT YOU MENTIONED
    I CONSIDER MYSELF FAR TOO
    INTELLIGENT TO SIT IN FRONT OF
    A MOVING TRAIN. I KNOW OF NO HARD EVIDENCE THAT THE TRAIN WAS
    DARED NOT TO STOP, BUT IS IT
    NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE
    ENGINEER WAS FRIGHTENED BY A
    GROUP OF PEOPLE (IN HIS MIND
    POSSIBLY DANGEROUS) AND WAS
    SIMPLY AFRAID TO STOP.
    ANYONE WITH ANY COMMON SENSE
    WOULD MOVE OUT OF THE WAY, AS
    TRAINS OBVIOUSLY TAKE QUITE A
    DISTANCE TO COME TO FULL HALT.
    IF SAID TRAIN WERE MOVING SLOWLY
    THE GENTLEMAN HAD PLENTY OF TIME
    AND WARNING TO MOVE. IF IT
    WERE MOVING AT A HIGH RATE OF SPEED, THE GENTLEMAN WAS CRAZY TO
    SIT THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

    AS TO THE PROBLEMS TO OUR SOUTH
    I DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH
    KNOWLEDGE OF THE SITUATION TO
    BASE AN INTELLIGENT OPINION.
    I’M APPALLED AT THE POSSIBILITY
    THAT OUR GOVERNMENT WOULD STOOP
    TO ABETTING THE DRUG TRAFFIC,
    AND I THINK THAT ANYONE THAT
    CAN BE PROVED TO HAVE DONE SO
    SHOULD HAVE THEIR DAY IN COURT
    TO EXPLAIN WHY THEY SHOULDN’T
    BE SENT AWAY PERMANENTLY.
    UNFORTUNATELY WITH THE SIZE
    OF OUR GOVERNMENT, NO ONE PERSON
    COULD POSSIBLY HAVE KNOWLEDGE
    OR CONTROL OF ALL GOINGS-ON.

    WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO
    AGREE ON SOME POINTS. I AM
    BEGINNING TO REGRET GETTING
    INTO THIS TOPIC, AS I CERTAINLY
    WISH NO ANIMOSITY WITH ANOTHER
    MEMBER OF THIS SIG, ESPECIALLY
    THE SIGOP!

    DOUGFISHER

  • pucc_unknown

    42025 14JUN88-0631 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42012)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: COCONAUT

    Doug,

    Well.. your’re a bit high on yyour estimate of my age…
    I’m not quite yet 40. I’ll celebarte te that birthday the
    same daty Trotsky would have celebrated it on the Gregorian
    Calendar (the one used in Russia prior to the 1Revolution).

    No… I don’t feel animosity.

    I do think you may be a bit naieve in your apparant trust
    in the idea that this government is basically honest
    and well meaning.

    I find little to like among darlings of either
    the liberals or the conservatives of this country.
    Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves only becaueuse
    (by his own admission) it was EXPEDIENT to the
    goals of the industrial north in its conflict with
    the South. FDR turned away boatloads of refugees
    from Nazi death camps, and, along with that scum
    Winston Chruchill, deliberately refused to order
    that the tracks to the death camps be boombed.
    John F Kennedy started the Vietnam War.

    I’d include among my list of TRUE American
    heros men like John Brown and John Reed.
    (Note that John Brown is typically represented
    as a mad fanatic in those packs of lies that go
    by the name of History Books. )

    Doug, believe me: This government is not
    qualatively more likely to tell the truth
    to its people about what it is doing than is
    any other govrernment… alledgedly capitalist
    or alledgedly communist.

    As for this government’s involvement in drug traffiking,
    that was well documented in the case of CIA involvement
    in drug transport from the “golden triangle”
    of Souteheast Asisa when that was a major source
    of heroin. It was NOT an abberation , an act of a
    few rennegade criminals. It was an official plan and policy.
    Currrently the governments of the major cocaine producing
    countries of South American are propped up by this
    country, whaile this country piously crises “Drug Lord”
    at Noriega. Oh… don’t get me wrong. The charges
    of drug dealing are most likely quite TRUE of
    Noriega. But so what? There are The top government
    officials of many South American governments that we installed
    by or preserved by this country’s aid who are even more
    involved with drug dealing. Noreiga’s REAL crime was to
    dare to betray his CIA buddies and expose them. THAT was what
    started the witch hunt agaist him. Prior to that, his drug
    dealing was equally well known, but tacitly supported by
    this country.

    Tho we may have different political and possibly even spiritual
    philosophies, I think the main difference is you tend to trust
    this governent. I suggest that is a fundamental mistake.
    DON’T take what the government says as true without confirming
    evidence from a source NOT committed to bolstering the
    government. There still are many available here.

    I suggest that taking this goverment’s propaganda machine
    at its word is ultimately potentially one of the biggest
    mistakes anyone can make. At least in the Stalinist
    (“communist”) countries the population appears to maintain a
    healthy skepticism of its governments pronouncements.
    Americans are far more brainwashed into complacency and
    unquestionning acceptance of any lies, however absurd, this
    government will tell.

    —marty

  • pucc_unknown

    42039 14JUN88-2035 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42025)
    From: HARBIE To: MARTYGOODMAN

    in a never ending quest to confuse you (or just because i’m too lazy to find
    the right thread again ) I’ll say i am beginning to understand your remark
    about RICK pulling your leg . for i am beginning to think you are puling mine .
    my frie
    nd thinks i am nuts for trying to click on every single joystick point in an 8
    X 8 matrix of that corner . no dice , can’t find that point you talked about in
    shanghai .

    still unrelated , i just got today a replacement disk for word power 3.1 . i
    had called them fryday to tell them about that 512k problem i had . I am quite
    impressed with the response timee . i forgot to tell them about the glaring om
    ission in their manual . they tell you that the TAB function is one of the most
    important of the word processor but NOWHERE in the manual do they tell you
    which key to use do DO A TAB ! .

    more ramblings . when using ados with word power you need not only do the
    disable dload bit but also verif off . the scrolling goes kinda strange
    otherwise after you save a file

  • pucc_unknown

    42752 10JUL88-1721 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42025)
    From: CCMAN To: MARTYGOODMAN

    MARTY,
    I AGREE WITH YOU. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR COUNTRY AND THOSE SO CALLED
    COMMUNIST COUNTRIES THAT YOU MENTIONED IS THAT WE HAVE A RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT
    WHEN WE WANT (EVEN IF YOU WILL BE BRANDED A LUNATIC FOR HAVING UNACCEPTED
    IDEAS). ALSO, WE CAN VOTE –BUT M
    OST DON’T AND THOSE WHO DO ARE USUALLY UNINFORMED.
    CCMAN

  • pucc_unknown

    42042 14JUN88-2106 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42039)
    From: DONHUTCHISON To: HARBIE

    VERIFY OFF when using ADOS-3?? That’s Weird City, man! Sounds like
    somebody has a buffer at $700 when they shouldn’t have done dat!

    -dh-

  • pucc_unknown

    42056 15JUN88-0100 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42039)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: HARBIE

    The Shanghai cursor thingie is not really in the EXTREME lower left.
    Rather… it is on the left side of the screen. Hmm… I really should
    boot it up some time and find it for you. Or you can feel free
    to ask Rick about it.

    —marty

  • pucc_unknown

    42065 15JUN88-0130 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42039)
    From: ARTFLEXSER To: HARBIE

    Don’t bother with DISABLE:DLOAD. That is unnecessary if you just poke into
    $A282-3-4 the values that are normally there under RSDOS
    ($BD,01,67 I believe). Unlike the DLOAD, you can embed the pokes in the loader
    program, so you needn’t type anything (other than the usual RUN statement) to
    boot up.
    I told Microcom about this, but apparently they have not yet made the change.
    The VERIFYOFF is also necessary.

  • pucc_unknown

    42045 14JUN88-2240 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42042)
    From: ZACKS To: HARBIE

    Aw c’mon, now, I found the spot. It’s on the left side, not all the
    way over, and about a third of the way down the screen. Don’t assume
    that the arrow has to move to get to the next spot either, keep clicking.
    What happens is that the game goes right to the main menu as if you
    had clicked on rgb or composite. The color difference for me with
    my CM8 is edges or tiles are yellow instead of gray/black.

    ps, having trouble with word power and ados??? Then get TW128.
    It works fine with ados.

  • pucc_unknown

    42066 15JUN88-0132 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42042)
    From: ARTFLEXSER To: DONHUTCHISON

    Yes, that was my interpretation of the cause of this bug also.
    I investigated because I at first thought the trouble to be an incompatibility
    with
    ADOS-3, but the scrolling is also
    screwed up after SAVE under RSDOS 1.0 if you have VERIFY on.
    (Though not under RSDOS 1.1, for some strange reason.)

  • pucc_unknown

    42046 14JUN88-2241 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42045)
    From: ZACKS To: HARBIE

    Uh, that should have been “edges OF tiles” are yellow.

  • pucc_unknown

    42068 15JUN88-0137 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42045)
    From: ARTFLEXSER To: ZACKS

    Word Power also works fine with ADOS, if you follow the instructions in my
    reply to HARBIE.

  • pucc_unknown

    42081 15JUN88-1900 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42045)
    From: HARBIE To: ZACKS

    TW ? TELEWRITER ?????

    slowly i turned ….

    (if you don’t get that one , ask RICKADAMS

  • pucc_unknown

    42082 15JUN88-1902 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42056)
    From: HARBIE To: MARTYGOODMAN

    i’ll try again as per ZACKS instructions . if i don’t get a wrap around coat
    before that !

  • pucc_unknown

    42083 15JUN88-1904 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42065)
    From: HARBIE To: ARTFLEXSER

    I saw that fix on CIS (eek i used the ‘c’ word) and put it in line 25 along
    with the verify off (a friend of mine calls me paranoid for using verify on as
    default with my superb shugart drives)
    works great so far .

  • pucc_unknown

    42765 10JUL88-2159 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42752)
    From: FREDMCD To: CCMAN

    WE ALSO CHOOSE OUR LEADERS. AND CAN GET RID OF THEM IF THEY GO BAD. (TRY
    THIS IN A COMMY COUNTRY.)

  • pucc_unknown

    42801 11JUL88-1845 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42752)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: CCMAN

    Some SIMILARITIES between the US and the Soviet Union are routine
    censorship of the media for political purposes.

    A recent example in the US:

    There was a concert in England dedicated to fighting aparthied
    in South Africa in general, and freeing a particular political
    prisoner in particular. (A ROCK concert). The artists
    involved donated their time to this cause. FOX broadcasting
    here paid for rights to transmit it in the US. When they did
    run the material, tho, the CAREFULLY edited out EVERY political
    word said by ALL performers. Note that the concert was mostly
    a CONCERT. But just before or after a given group performed
    they would say a few words… a minute or so… relevant
    to the political occasion. Usually just a bit of news about
    what was happening in South Africa or some words of support
    for the cause. EVERY single time this happenned, it was CUT OUT
    of the US broadcast version.

    Many of the artists were ENRAGED by this action by FOX.
    The action WAS, as I understand it, legal, in the sense
    that Fox had bought the rights to retransmit the material,
    fair and square. And presumeably whatever contract they
    got allowed them to edit as they saw fit. Of course,
    those who MADE the deal never IMAGINED such outright and
    gross castration of the whole idea behind the concert
    would be perpetrated, so they apparantly never bothered
    so specifically include a clause in the contract preventing
    such vicious censorship. (“those who made the deal” =
    those who made the deal with FOX … the concert promoters.).

    But there you have it… deliberate censorship of
    the mass media here, … censorship dedicated to support
    for one of the most vicious and hideous goverments
    and political “systems” ever devised by man.

    Think about this tale next time you consider watching
    a FOX broadcasting station… or buying a product
    that their network pushes.

    —marty

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    42802 11JUL88-1855 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42752)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: CCMAN

    Censorship in other areas? How about THIS:

    AIDS was declared by federal government agencies to be an “epidemic”
    in 1981. But it was not until 1987 that our president once used
    the WORD “AIDS” in public. That’s one reason to consider
    the president responsible for thousands of deaths due to AIDS,
    because of his inaction in that area.

    While I have little sympathy with the current crowd in power
    in the Soviet Union, I should note that the immediate
    post revolutionary Soviet Union (pre Stalin.. 1917 thru about 1927 or so)
    was THE only modern, industrialized country EVER then thru to now
    to abolish ALL legislation regulating or penalizing for
    consenting sexual behavior amond adults.

    In 1923 Grigorii Batkis, then director of the Moskow Institute
    for Social Hygiene, published the following:

    “Soviet legislation bases itself on the following principle:
    It declares the aboslute non interferance of the state and society
    into sexual matters so log as nobody is injured and on one’s interests
    are encroached upon…” “Concerning homosexuality, sodomy, and various other
    forms of sexual gratification, which are set down in European
    legislation as offenses aganst public morality — Soviet
    legislaton treats these exactly the same as so-called “natural”
    intercourse. All forms of sexual intercourse are private
    maters.”

    This unusual degree of enlightenment and protection of
    the the right of consenting adults to enjoy each other
    as they please of course disappearred under Stalin.

    I wonder how long it will be before ANY “civilized” government
    again guarantees its citizens such freedoms.

    —marty

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    43523 2AUG88-0356 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42801)
    From: BRENNERS To: MARTYGOODMAN

    Marty,
    The similarities between The Soviets’ censorship and that of FOX are
    interesting to say the least, but what does that have to do with the U.S.
    Gov’t? Fox decided (wrongly in my opinion) to edit what it thought to be
    sesitive material and had every
    legal right to do so. If I were going to be mad at someone for what has
    happened I
    think I’d throw my stones towards the morons that allowed the contract rights
    to include “whatever FOX sees fit to edit”. If they are going to give anyone
    the right to censor
    their material, they maybe ought to let someone with a little morsavvy do the
    negotiating. If you trust the TV bigwigs with anything, they will take it all
    and leave you bleeding in the gutter and While I’m sure they won’t let it
    happen again, they probably
    won’t get another chance.

    Bren Stockdale

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    43524 2AUG88-0402 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 42802)
    From: BRENNERS To: MARTYGOODMAN

    Marty,
    Again, we see the right thinking Soviets come through! I would imagine that
    they would not imprison anyone for sodomy, but I would imagine they would not
    consider any sodomist a “sane person” and put him in a sanitarium not because
    he is a sodomiser, b
    ut because he isn’t quite all there. They have ways of dealing witth
    “undesirables” that I have not seen you point out in some of your “even handed”
    reports.

    I do think that if you really believed what you are preaching, you
    would be living elsewhere than the U.S. Since you are still here, I am going to
    assume that you are merelyy playing Devil’s advocate.

    Brenners

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    43659 5AUG88-0750 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 43523)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: BRENNERS

    You are in part right in noting that in the Soviet Union
    censorship comes quite directly from the government, whereas
    here the mechanism of such censorship is often less direct,
    and more of a function of a “good old boys network”, rather
    than orders from a government censor. However, censorship
    here IS real, and quite common. When the government
    wants to promote a gross lie, it can rely on most of the
    press here towing the mark… in some cases.

    For example, the Tonkin Gulf incident (the US version
    of the Reischstag Fire, a phoney manufactured incident
    to whip up hysteria to initiate the Viet Nam War) was
    not questioned by the main line press for years.
    Owners and major editors knew that the party line was being
    pushed, and refrained from questioning it.

    I would agree that this “good old boys” system of censorship
    is less tight than that used in the Soviet Union… and that
    at times the press will resist government efforts at censorship
    here… especially when an individual, as opposed to a
    national POLICY… is at stake. Other cases are more gray.
    The main stream press DOES print stuff on occasion documenting
    what murderous scum the Contras are… but juxtaposes
    that to the lies of the US government, which it treats with
    equal, if not greater, credance. Thus, it appears “objective”
    and “neutral”, while actually supporting death squads
    abroad and their masters here.

    Yes… at present there probably ARE more civil
    liberties here than in any other country… but ONLY
    for those who do not challenge those with most
    power here.

    For those who do, this government has shown time and again
    it will stop at nothing… including cold blooded calculated
    murder of its citizens… to protect existing power and privelege.

    Thus, many of the freedoms we THINK we enjoy are
    limited by definit bounds. I am glad to the extent
    we do have them… but am under no illusions about
    how far they extend.

    —marty

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    43660 5AUG88-0755 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 43524)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: BRENNERS

    Actually… I am NOT in this case playing devils advocate.

    Both the existing American society and existing Stalinist
    Soviet societies are rotten to the core, and riddled with
    the most neurotic of puritanism. The quote I made was from
    a different era… prior to Stalin… and really WAS
    government policy in the Soviet union for a short while
    after the Russion Revolution.

    In that era, prisons and sanatariums were NOT used
    to persecute consenting adults engaging in any sexual preferancs
    in the Soviet Union. Stalin and his heirs (up thru Gorbachov)
    changed that, of course.

    —marty

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    43894 8AUG88-2312 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 43660)
    From: BRENNERS To: MARTYGOODMAN

    Marty,
    An eloquent reply to my queries and I must compliment you on your willing
    ness to engage me in such entertaining discussions. While your time in a
    classroom has been likely far in excess of mine, I still feel that I must jump
    on your case about the wist
    ful longings of the “good ol’ days” of pre-Stalin-post-revolution Russia. I
    will agree heartily that the interest of the average man suffers greatly under
    either current system, however, I look upon our system as have the greater
    possibility of change with
    in the least amount of time. Changes in the Soviet Union (as Gorbachev is now
    painfully realizing) take a near eternity because of the way in which the
    system in power stays there. In the United States the elected officials need to
    (at least) make the peo
    ple believe that they are better off with them in office than anyone else. The
    end result (however limited) turns out to be the choice of the mass electorate,
    not in the well reased palms of 60 select individuals who happen to all see
    things in the same fi
    ltered light.

    I hate to see any blanket condemnation of what is currently the best system
    available to anyone without any constructive ideas on how it could be changed
    for the better. Please don’t tell me how wonderful it is in Switzerland or
    Sweden because if it we
    re not for the power and the frightening aspect of the MAD doctorine (not a
    great method, mind you,but effective for the time being) those countries would
    not be so free and “well off”. I have to state the obviousabout the reasons
    Japan has come so far so
    fast is that they are spending virtually nothing on defense and pour billions
    into research and development of the leading edge technolgies that we have
    become so dependent on. We have borne the brunt of keeping “incompatible
    political views” from spreadin
    g as fast as it would have without our noses stuck in. If the Kremlin were
    calling the shots in Japan, I seriously doubt whether or not I would be able to
    afford a computer system let alone afford to spend 30 minute hacking out these
    points on my not so ni
    mble fingers. So, before I get too worn out to type “bye”…..Thanks for
    listening.

    Bren Stockdale

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    43940 9AUG88-2239 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 43894)
    From: COCONAUT To: BRENNERS

    Well Said.

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    43960 10AUG88-0355 General Information
    RE: For use on your next vacation? (Re: Msg 43894)
    From: MARTYGOODMAN To: BRENNERS

    The Soviet Union in the years 1917 thru about 1927 or so was
    a rather grossly differnt country than the Soviet Union
    once Stalin or his heirs (up to and INCLUDING Gorbachov) were
    entrenched. I would submit it was a far more democratic country
    in that period than the USA ever was.

    Of course, one might ask “why the big change?” There are
    many answers to that, depending both on ones politics and
    one’s view of history… and who one belives, of course.
    Reactionaries argue that the degeneration under Stalin
    would in any case have been the inevitable fate of such
    a misguided attempt to establish an utopia. Socialists
    argue that it was the failure of the revolution to spread
    thru Europe (it nearly did… just missed in Germany)
    and the massive effort by dozens of capitalist countries to overthrow
    the revolution in the Soveit Union (even the US sent troops to invade)
    that ultimately forced the degeneration. Of course, Stalin’s personal
    paranoia and general maddness contributed.

    Neiter Sweeden nor Switzerland would be models I would hold
    up for social systems. Both are captialist countries,
    tho both have some socialized services.

    The deeds of the US have constantly been in conflict with
    its rhetoric of “freedom and justice”. From the very formation
    of this country by slave holders who kept the institution of
    slavery (what gross hypocrisy there!!!) to this day, where
    racism is still endemic, and where the foriegn policy of this country
    consistently props up the most brutal tyrants to make the world
    safe for profitable investment.

    Who are MY American heros? John Reed and John Brown.

    —marty