11/20/93: RE: MM/1 Production Re: Msg 82897 by Delphi, | Category: Delphi - General Information | 76 comments - (Comments are closed)

RE: MM/1 Production Re: Msg 82897

83230 20-NOV 22:22 General Information
RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 82897)
From: MREGC To: JOELHEGBERG

Joel,

> Would people pay attention to the standards?

Well, in order for me to follow any standard I would have to consider it to
be at least as good as the method I would use should the standard not exist,
and it would have to be as easy to implement.

For example, quite awhile ago I was designing another GUI for the MM/1,
(this was before I decided that having yours and Mike’s available was enough.)
Chet Simpson and I were working on our own “standard” for MM/1 icons, and had
talked Mike into revising Desktop to conform to it. Unfortunately we never
completed it. It supported variable sized icons, animated icons, shadowed
icons, icons which included sound, and some other things. Now say there was a
standards committee and they decided on a standard for all OSK GUI icons. If
that standard did not include EVERYTHING that our icon format did ,(and if I
was still developing this GUI,) then I wouldn’t even give it a second glance.

The problem with standards is that they sometimes have the tendency to
cater to the lowest common denominator. For OS9 that might mean developing
standards which would have to be useable on a terminal. That would be
unacceptable. This in a way describes my biggest fear about the MM/1 users
adopting G-Windows as our standard. I don’t know enough about GW to be sure
but the fear is that software would be written so that it could run on the
least capable system possible, like DOC programmers writing software so that
the 8088, or at least the 286 would be required to run it. (Oops, make that
DOS programmers!) Since there are a number of systems out there whose graphic
abilities can surpass the MM/1 that wouldn’t be a big deal, but what about
sound? If you wrote Write Right! for G-Windows would it still have the ability
to use a variety of sounds, like that pleasing chime? This is a small example,
but its often the small things that make a program a winner. Most importantly,
as I understand it, G-Windows really needs the highest res screen to run, and
I’ve been told that it doesn’t support lower res screens. *IF* this is true
then I couldn’t use it to write for the MM/1’s 256 color modes. Also
unacceptable.

Standards should give the ability to create portable software, but they
shouldn’t prevent, or even discourage programmer’s use of each machine’s
unique special capabilities.

…Eric…

76 comments to RE: MM/1 Production Re: Msg 82897

  • pucc_unknown

    83240 21-NOV 07:48 General Information
    RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 83230)
    From: CBJ To: MREGC

    I agree on points about standards but threre are reasons to implement them as
    well. While you as a programmer may not use them in every case IF there is a
    set of standard ways to do things you will likely follow them when possible.
    You can also develop a “standard program” and add the bells and whistles to
    specific versions for platforms that can support them. A Standards committee
    need not be confined or delegated to programming eother. There is a proposal
    for one and until I get more info I’ll keep an open mind about it.
    Carl

  • pucc_unknown

    83264 21-NOV 21:46 General Information
    RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 83230)
    From: DSRTFOX To: MREGC

    Eric, G windows requires at least 400×600 screen resolution to run, so you
    shouldn’t have a problem there! It also supports higher resolutions IF
    available.

  • pucc_unknown

    83291 23-NOV 01:04 General Information
    RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 83230)
    From: NIMITZ To: MREGC

    Eric, if you wish to have standards you can live with, help write them!

    My goal is, not only to help adopt new standards, but to bring some old
    ones that will help us out to OS9. So, watch this space, you’ll probably see
    a mix of old and new, that hopefully make sense to all of us (well, at least
    most of us! ) 😉

    David

  • pucc_unknown

    83297 23-NOV 03:16 General Information
    RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 83291)
    From: MREGC To: NIMITZ

    > Eric, if you wish to have standards you can live with, help write them!

    David, as you can see I am never at a loss for an opinion or a way in
    which to express it. If there is online discussions about these proposed
    “standards” then you will be sure to see input from me.

    …Eric…

  • pucc_unknown

    83341 24-NOV 06:32 General Information
    RE: MM/1 Production (Re: Msg 83291)
    From: SCWEGERT To: NIMITZ

    > Eric, if you wish to have standards you can live with, help write them!
    >

    David, am I missing something? Didn’t we go through this a year and a half ago
    with pitiful results?

    I would think we need to put our efforts behind more applications (standard
    or not) first to help us decide wether or not we have a market for which to
    write a standard!

    *- Steve -*