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klondike

90613 8-NOV 20:16 General Information
klondike
From: RICKULAND To: NEWKID

What does -b do? We ran into a major problem with ix caused by
shell+ stubborn isnsistance that every program have at least 8K
of data space. (ix needs 1 page, or 256bytes). Perhaps klondyke
trips the same bug.

Paul Seniura published a modpatch script (in system? dbase)
that is very clever but doesn’t work as written. The gist of it
is-

l shell
c 130f 1f 01
v

get his file for more info. Also, the diskcat/ix thread here….

-ricku

Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland [at] delphi [dot] com 449 South 90th St.
“Operating System Nine”- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214

8 comments to klondike

  • pucc_unknown

    90617 9-NOV 03:14 General Information
    RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90613)
    From: NEWKID To: RICKULAND

    To get the large cards to play with using Klondike the -b option is needed,
    otherwise the small cards are used. I’ve changed back to using the old
    shell for now. I do miss shell+. It’s strange how this glitch showed up.

    James

  • pucc_unknown

    90624 9-NOV 23:04 General Information
    RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90613)
    From: KSCALES To: RICKULAND

    > Paul Seniura published a modpatch script (in system? dbase)
    > that is very clever but doesn’t work as written. The gist of it
    > is-
    >
    > l shell
    > c 130f 1f 01
    > v
    >
    > get his file for more info. Also, the diskcat/ix thread here….

    Sigh. This patch has become so widespread that there’s probably little
    hope of stopping its spread. Be forewarned: it’s a timebomb. I’ve been
    recommending against it every time I see it discussed, but to no avail.

    The shell+ wildcarding feature expects to be able to use a large
    parameter space, and this rips it out from under its feet.

    My CC3 was out of service for quite a while until recently (finally
    reformatted the hard drive last month) so I decided to re-affirm my
    concerns before writing this.

    Procedure:
    – shell+ configured to use wildcards if “:” is the first character of line.
    – found a directory where the command “:echo /dd/directory/*” resulted
    in 6 or 7 lines of output. (i.e., >256 characters)
    – applied patch as per above
    – enterred “:echo /dd/directory/*”
    – it was a rather boring crash this time, merely filling the screen with
    a series of underlined “a” characters. Boring, but effective.
    – Rebooted…

    For the very small list of programs that won’t work with shell+ (older
    UltiMuse, KBCom, and a few others), I suggest the following alternative:
    – Use dEd on the ORIGINAL ‘Shell’ to change its internal name to something
    different (I used “ohell”), then save it in your CMDS directory under
    this name (“ohell”).
    – To run the programs that don’t like shell+, use a command like:
    (shellplus): ohell klondyke

    Hope this works!

    Regards… / Ken
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    Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales [at] delphi [dot] com CIS:74646,2237

  • pucc_unknown

    90639 12-NOV 21:07 General Information
    RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90624)
    From: RICKULAND To: KSCALES

    Bummer. Just as I was getting used to nicely convoluted shell
    scripts, too. (You know, no matter how careful you are, ohell is
    gonna end up running one.)

    Besides, I let others use this machine, and some know
    better. I’d hate to let the @ out of the bag least someone
    reformat /h0 as an exercise. These computer nerds can be mean!
    -ricku

    Rick Ulland CoNect
    rickuland [at] delphi [dot] com 449 South 90th St.
    “Operating System Nine”- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214

  • pucc_unknown

    91089 24-DEC 20:18 General Information
    RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90624)
    From: RICKULAND To: KSCALES

    Bummer. Just as I was getting used to nicely convoluted shell
    scripts, too. (You know, no matter how careful you are, ohell is
    gonna end up running one.)

    Besides, I let others use this machine, and some know
    better. I’d hate to let the @ out of the bag least someone
    reformat /h0 as an exercise. These computer nerds can be mean!
    -ricku

    Rick Ulland CoNect
    rickuland [at] delphi [dot] com 449 South 90th St.
    “Operating System Nine”- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214

  • pucc_unknown

    90625 9-NOV 23:04 General Information
    RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90617)
    From: KSCALES To: NEWKID (NR)

    > I’ve changed back to using the
    > old shell for now. I do miss shell+. It’s strange how this glitch showed
    > up.

    James -

    There have been a few programs that exhibit incompatibility with shell+.
    You can patch the old shell (giving it a new name both internally and
    externally) so that it can co-exist with shell+, letting you access both
    at will. See my message to RICKULAND for further info.

    Cheers… / Ken
    ————————————————————————–
    Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales [at] delphi [dot] com CIS:74646,2237

  • pucc_unknown

    90683 16-NOV 02:24 General Information
    RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90625)
    From: NEWKID To: KSCALES

    If you can supply me with the mgs number it would help greatly.

    If U can believe it I get the same thing with the old shell too. It must
    have something to do with memory boundaries. I start with 344k free, no
    work, if I add a module and get around 272k free no problem. Also, if
    unlink once klondike is running ( loaded modules) klondike still works.
    Go figure, it’s a nice one.

    James

  • pucc_unknown

    90706 19-NOV 00:59 General Information
    RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90683)
    From: KSCALES To: NEWKID

    > If you can supply me with the mgs number it would help greatly.

    It was the message immediately preceeding my message to you: 90625.

    > If U can believe it I get the same thing with the old shell too. It must
    > have something to do with memory boundaries. I start with 344k free, no
    > work, if I add a module and get around 272k free no problem. Also, if
    > unlink once klondike is running ( loaded modules) klondike still works.
    > Go figure, it’s a nice one.

    Interesting. In that case, the info in 90625 probably won’t help fix
    the problem. Hope you get it figured out, tho.

    Cheers… / Ken
    ————————————————————————–
    Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales [at] delphi [dot] com CIS:74646,2237

  • pucc_unknown

    90734 20-NOV 02:36 General Information
    RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90706)
    From: NEWKID To: KSCALES

    I’ll keep at it. But I think my system is bad. Do you know if we have
    a set of test programs for keyboard, i/o and that sort of things?
    It could be that the “-” key is not working properly.

    James