90613 8-NOV 20:16 General Information
klondike
From: RICKULAND To: NEWKID
What does -b do? We ran into a major problem with ix caused by
shell+ stubborn isnsistance that every program have at least 8K
of data space. (ix needs 1 page, or 256bytes). Perhaps klondyke
trips the same bug.
Paul Seniura published a modpatch script (in system? dbase)
that is very clever but doesn’t work as written. The gist of it
is-
l shell
c 130f 1f 01
v
get his file for more info. Also, the diskcat/ix thread here….
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland [at] delphi [dot] com 449 South 90th St.
“Operating System Nine”- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
90617 9-NOV 03:14 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90613)
From: NEWKID To: RICKULAND
To get the large cards to play with using Klondike the -b option is needed,
otherwise the small cards are used. I’ve changed back to using the old
shell for now. I do miss shell+. It’s strange how this glitch showed up.
James
90624 9-NOV 23:04 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90613)
From: KSCALES To: RICKULAND
> Paul Seniura published a modpatch script (in system? dbase)
> that is very clever but doesn’t work as written. The gist of it
> is-
>
> l shell
> c 130f 1f 01
> v
>
> get his file for more info. Also, the diskcat/ix thread here….
Sigh. This patch has become so widespread that there’s probably little
hope of stopping its spread. Be forewarned: it’s a timebomb. I’ve been
recommending against it every time I see it discussed, but to no avail.
The shell+ wildcarding feature expects to be able to use a large
parameter space, and this rips it out from under its feet.
My CC3 was out of service for quite a while until recently (finally
reformatted the hard drive last month) so I decided to re-affirm my
concerns before writing this.
Procedure:
– shell+ configured to use wildcards if “:” is the first character of line.
– found a directory where the command “:echo /dd/directory/*” resulted
in 6 or 7 lines of output. (i.e., >256 characters)
– applied patch as per above
– enterred “:echo /dd/directory/*”
– it was a rather boring crash this time, merely filling the screen with
a series of underlined “a” characters. Boring, but effective.
– Rebooted…
For the very small list of programs that won’t work with shell+ (older
UltiMuse, KBCom, and a few others), I suggest the following alternative:
– Use dEd on the ORIGINAL ‘Shell’ to change its internal name to something
different (I used “ohell”), then save it in your CMDS directory under
this name (“ohell”).
– To run the programs that don’t like shell+, use a command like:
(shellplus): ohell klondyke
Hope this works!
Regards… / Ken
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90639 12-NOV 21:07 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90624)
From: RICKULAND To: KSCALES
Bummer. Just as I was getting used to nicely convoluted shell
scripts, too. (You know, no matter how careful you are, ohell is
gonna end up running one.)
Besides, I let others use this machine, and some know
better. I’d hate to let the @ out of the bag least someone
reformat /h0 as an exercise. These computer nerds can be mean!
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland [at] delphi [dot] com 449 South 90th St.
“Operating System Nine”- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
91089 24-DEC 20:18 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90624)
From: RICKULAND To: KSCALES
Bummer. Just as I was getting used to nicely convoluted shell
scripts, too. (You know, no matter how careful you are, ohell is
gonna end up running one.)
Besides, I let others use this machine, and some know
better. I’d hate to let the @ out of the bag least someone
reformat /h0 as an exercise. These computer nerds can be mean!
-ricku
Rick Ulland CoNect
rickuland [at] delphi [dot] com 449 South 90th St.
“Operating System Nine”- 268m Milwaukee WI 53214
90625 9-NOV 23:04 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90617)
From: KSCALES To: NEWKID (NR)
> I’ve changed back to using the
> old shell for now. I do miss shell+. It’s strange how this glitch showed
> up.
James -
There have been a few programs that exhibit incompatibility with shell+.
You can patch the old shell (giving it a new name both internally and
externally) so that it can co-exist with shell+, letting you access both
at will. See my message to RICKULAND for further info.
Cheers… / Ken
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Ken Scales Delphi:KSCALES Internet:kscales [at] delphi [dot] com CIS:74646,2237
90683 16-NOV 02:24 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90625)
From: NEWKID To: KSCALES
If you can supply me with the mgs number it would help greatly.
If U can believe it I get the same thing with the old shell too. It must
have something to do with memory boundaries. I start with 344k free, no
work, if I add a module and get around 272k free no problem. Also, if
unlink once klondike is running ( loaded modules) klondike still works.
Go figure, it’s a nice one.
James
90706 19-NOV 00:59 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90683)
From: KSCALES To: NEWKID
> If you can supply me with the mgs number it would help greatly.
It was the message immediately preceeding my message to you: 90625.
> If U can believe it I get the same thing with the old shell too. It must
> have something to do with memory boundaries. I start with 344k free, no
> work, if I add a module and get around 272k free no problem. Also, if
> unlink once klondike is running ( loaded modules) klondike still works.
> Go figure, it’s a nice one.
Interesting. In that case, the info in 90625 probably won’t help fix
the problem. Hope you get it figured out, tho.
Cheers… / Ken
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90734 20-NOV 02:36 General Information
RE: klondike (Re: Msg 90706)
From: NEWKID To: KSCALES
I’ll keep at it. But I think my system is bad. Do you know if we have
a set of test programs for keyboard, i/o and that sort of things?
It could be that the “-” key is not working properly.
James