07/28/07: Hi Fellow Coconuts. Looks like I’m out of commission again by briza, | Category: Misc Topics | 29 comments - (Comments are closed)

Hi Fellow Coconuts. Looks like I’m out of commission again

I have no way of getting my Hard drive to use WindowsXP. It just loops around to the startup over and over again.
I have checked my Harddrive using a Linux Live Cd. and the folders for my coco archiving is intact. So until I can get these folders onto DVD’s. I cant reformat my Hard drive and re-install everything again.
So what I suspect is happening is my Hard drive is going bad on me. So until I can buy a new drive. I cant chat and talk coco for a while.
So until further notice. I’m offline.

laters

Briza

29 comments to Hi Fellow Coconuts. Looks like I’m out of commission again

  • RetroRick

    Bad harddisk? More likely a virus or trojan of some sort. Anyway, I’d recommend starting up in Safe Mode and running AVG Free on your system. If you’re ever able to read this post from elsewhere, that is. :-)

  • RobertGault

    Boot from the WinXP CDROM and troubleshoot the hard drive. You might even need to reinstall WinXP. That won’t damage any Coco directories. Booting to Safe mode as suggested is advisable if possible.

    The main issue is finding what the problem is. It is not “It just loops around to the startup over and over again.”, that is the symptom.

  • mannequin

    Do you have a way of backing all of that information up? A USB drive or something?

    -M.

  • RobertGault

    Briza does not need to backup the drive to save the data. Anyway he can’t boot.

    Just remove the drive, replace it with a new one, install WinXP, insert the old drive as drive #2, and any data or programs that still exist will be available.

    The issue is determining whether the above needs to be done or whether the boot process can be repaired.

  • mannequin

    I was asking because he could boot in to the Linux Live CD and then possibly back it up before he tries to do surgery on his Win XP install. Better safe than sorry…

    -M.

  • jdiffend

    I had a hard drive go bad and do the same sort of thing a few months ago. However, it is a common problem with windows and your drive might be just fine.

  • CoCoTower

    I had a hard drive go bad and do the same sort of thing a few months ago. However, it is a common problem with windows and your drive might be just fine.

    Seems like I had the repeated reboot problem once but don’t know how I solved it. Luckily, Vista has a good recovery feature that restores a BSOD failure like I had twice already since I went Vista. On reboot, Vista will automatically repair the system after a long analysis and scan.

  • RetroRick

    I was asking because he could boot in to the Linux Live CD and then possibly back it up before he tries to do surgery on his Win XP install. Better safe than sorry…

    If you have a virus, backing up your data at that point is a bad idea. The virus is copied right along with it.

  • mannequin

    Yes, you might bring the virus over, but there is normally some virus scanning software for the new host system. Linux has an AV system that is used to protect the likes of Windows users. I’ve had to use that method before because this guy kept on going to bad pr0n sites and kept infecting his computer. :P :)

    -M.

  • Briza

    Yes, you might bring the virus over, but there is normally some virus scanning software for the new host system. Linux has an AV system that is used to protect the likes of Windows users. I’ve had to use that method before because this guy kept on going to bad pr0n sites and kept infecting his computer. :P :)

    -M.

    Hi Guys.

    Well I know its not a virus or trojan. At 1st I suspected it was my Hard drive just going bad on me. But what I found out today is that. you can not have 2 hard drives hooked up at the same time with 2 different OS’s. which in my case I had Win98Se on my slave unit. And WinXp on my Master drive.

    What seemed to be happening is that the 2 OS’s were loading up system files between each other. And when it came to the System being shut down. it was saving all these Register info which was made invalid. because it was coming from the win98se drive and not my Master drive.

    So now I have it all back up again. only problem is that I hope I can salvage all the archived files on my original Xp drive now. Fingers crossed. If it is unsuccessful. that means I have to redo the archive all over again.

    laters

    Briza

  • Briza

    Before I forget. I will be going to Linux once I salvage all my files. Screw Micrsoft and its dodgy OS. At least with Linux I dont need a Firewall as its only in Linux to protect Windows based apps not Linux.

    laters

    Briza

  • random_rodder

    Hi Guys.

    Well I know its not a virus or trojan. At 1st I suspected it was my Hard drive just going bad on me. But what I found out today is that. you can not have 2 hard drives hooked up at the same time with 2 different OS’s. which in my case I had Win98Se on my slave unit. And WinXp on my Master drive.

    Briza, this isn’t an entirely true statement. Dual booting in any OS environment is very common (I’ve done it with Windows and Linux). Though the issue you had should be resolved in the System BIOS boot device settings (it should only boot from the boot device you selected in the BIOS). In Windows, the best way to dual boot is to install the older OS (Win98 in your case) first, then WinXP on the second drive or partition. This will create a boot.ini file on the first hard disk (with win98 on it) that will allow you to select which OS to boot into at power on.

    So now I have it all back up again. only problem is that I hope I can salvage all the archived files on my original Xp drive now. Fingers crossed. If it is unsuccessful. that means I have to redo the archive all over again.

    Rescue that data ASAP. I’m not convinced it’s not a virus. If your XP drive was formatted NTFS, Win98 can’t even see it unless you’re running NTFS-DOS or similar application. If both drives are running the FAT-32 files sytem, then the only reason they’d have to make registry entries on the drive contents is if you’ve installed software to the other drives from the OS’es or simply so the OS knows what files are where so it can access them. I still lean towards a virus or other type of malware that has fubar’d the registry.

    Good luck!!

    Brian

  • RobertGault

    My system is another example of dual booting. In my case, WinXP was the first system (actually an upgrade from Win98SE) and Win98SE was re-installed afterwards on a second hard drive. There are no conflicts, as the Windows files are in completely separate directories.

    I’ve got WinXP as the default boot, with no boot menu. If I want to boot Win98SE, I hold down the F8 key during power-up to get the boot menu.

  • Briza
    Hi Guys.

    Well I know its not a virus or trojan. At 1st I suspected it was my Hard drive just going bad on me. But what I found out today is that. you can not have 2 hard drives hooked up at the same time with 2 different OS’s. which in my case I had Win98Se on my slave unit. And WinXp on my Master drive.

    Briza, this isn’t an entirely true statement. Dual booting in any OS environment is very common (I’ve done it with Windows and Linux). Though the issue you had should be resolved in the System BIOS boot device settings (it should only boot from the boot device you selected in the BIOS). In Windows, the best way to dual boot is to install the older OS (Win98 in your case) first, then WinXP on the second drive or partition. This will create a boot.ini file on the first hard disk (with win98 on it) that will allow you to select which OS to boot into at power on.

    So now I have it all back up again. only problem is that I hope I can salvage all the archived files on my original Xp drive now. Fingers crossed. If it is unsuccessful. that means I have to redo the archive all over again.

    Rescue that data ASAP. I’m not convinced it’s not a virus. If your XP drive was formatted NTFS, Win98 can’t even see it unless you’re running NTFS-DOS or similar application. If both drives are running the FAT-32 files sytem, then the only reason they’d have to make registry entries on the drive contents is if you’ve installed software to the other drives from the OS’es or simply so the OS knows what files are where so it can access them. I still lean towards a virus or other type of malware that has fubar’d the registry.

    Good luck!!

    Brian

    Hi Guys.

    My setup was 2 Hard drives. XP was jumpered as Master drive, And Win98se was just a slave drive. The reason I know that the 2 OS’s were linking. Is when I only used the WinXP drive when using Yahoo Chat. I had no sound features until I connected the slave drive back up. Sometimes my Yahoo would come up with an error saying it could not find a specific system file when only Xp drive was connected.
    But the minute Win98se was hooked up again as the slave unit. thats when all Yahoo features would work. Sound, Webcam, and so forth.

    But then I have been running 2 Aniti-virus programs, plus 2 Anti-spyware programs. and none of these after scanning the 2 drives came up with Spyware or Viruses. Thats why I suspect either my 40gig drive is faulty. Or somehow windows98se system files have screwed up the registry system files.

    But who knows what the cause of it is. As I tried to connect up my 40 gig drive as a slave to salavage my archive. and it screwed up the new WinXp drive. SO it looks like I might have lost all my coco archive. I have around 95% burned to DVD. But I’m now missing all the later stuff I got from Robert G The programs I got RG to patch to run on all coco models. Plus I have lost a lot of new stuff which took me years to locate. So you could say. If a MS rep came knocking on my door. I would hit him so hard he would be seeing stars for a week.

    I’m heading over to Linux. I checked out a live CD. And at least I might be able to salvage the coco files on the hard drive using Linux. As I can access the hard drive in Linux. Just need to learn how to use it to burn coco files to CD or DVD.

    laters

    Briza

  • Briza

    Ok Guys.

    Looks like I found my problem. Today My father and I had a good look at it. everything checked out. but 2 minutes into the Pc running in XP. the system crashed. But when it was loading up. in the intro section where all your Perphierals get displayed. Guess what was not in the listing. You guessed it. No hard drives were being detected.
    So which means one thing the floppy cable for the drives had to be faulty. Well I had a brand new cable never been used. plugged it in and You guessed right. My system has been going great. no more crashing after 2 minutes. Had it on now for 30 minutes and it is purring like a kitten.

    So it was not a bad drive or Virus or Spyware. but a crappy cable causing me grief. Hopefully I can get the other drive connected up and salvage my archive from it

    laters

    Briza

  • navydave

    Ok Guys.

    Looks like I found my problem. Today My father and I had a good look at it. everything checked out. but 2 minutes into the Pc running in XP. the system crashed. But when it was loading up. in the intro section where all your Perphierals get displayed. Guess what was not in the listing. You guessed it. No hard drives were being detected.
    So which means one thing the floppy cable for the drives had to be faulty. Well I had a brand new cable never been used. plugged it in and You guessed right. My system has been going great. no more crashing after 2 minutes. Had it on now for 30 minutes and it is purring like a kitten.

    So it was not a bad drive or Virus or Spyware. but a crappy cable causing me grief. Hopefully I can get the other drive connected up and salvage my archive from it

    laters

    Briza

    Glad to hear it!! Hope you get the other drive going. Would be a shame to loose all that Coco stuff, you might want to back it all up on dvd after, even though its not sorted through :-). Maybe go with a DVD-RW so you can keep adding to it. Glad to hear your back up and running somewhat. :-)

  • mannequin

    I wouldn’t use a DVD-RW. Not good backup material.

    -M.

  • jdiffend

    Before I forget. I will be going to Linux once I salvage all my files. Screw Micrsoft and its dodgy OS. At least with Linux I dont need a Firewall as its only in Linux to protect Windows based apps not Linux.

    laters

    Briza

    I just set up a new system and it has XP and Linspire Linux.
    Linspire is pretty cool except for one annoying little fact… I have a wireless network connection and the drivers aren’t on the install disk. They *are* on Linspire’s site but to download them you have to use their special client… which won’t work till you have the drivers. Oh joy!

    I really don’t want to have to download the source, compile it and manually install it.

    If there’s anything that bothers me about linux it’s the fact that drivers rarely come with the hardware.

  • fwp

    The lack of driver for hardware isn’t as much an issue with linux as it is with the hardware and the hardware vendors. Personally I would recommend staying away from linspire. It is in my never humble opinion anyway brain dead and backwards. A much better choice is something like ubunto or fedora.

  • lordos2

    I second the the thouht on linspire. It is not ready for prime time. PCLINUX 2007 final is a good canidate and also PCBSD latest build is very good. Have tested both,not been able to break either one. My normal linux is SUSE and runs good has all the drivers for the varius hardware that I run.

  • jimhickle

    I wouldn’t use a DVD-RW. Not good backup material.

    -M.

    DVD-RAM in cartridges is better; you don’t have to write the whole disk at one time.

    But what backup software would you recommend for (gag) WinXP?

  • mannequin

    I’ve never used Linspre before, but I wouldn’t recommend it now anyway. It’s made one of the infamous deals with Microsoft, and the company that makes Linspire is on the losing end of it. I’m not spreading FUD here, read the agreement yourself. :(

    Speaking of an application to help back up Windows XP, I wouldn’t know. I’ve used Acronis for someone else’s system that I was fixing. (It’s like Norton Ghost, only better. :) ) When I used to use Windows (Win98) for anything, I’d just burn a CD. Nero is a good program for burning CD and DVDs. I’ve used Acronis for someone else’s system that I was fixing. It’s like Norton Ghost, only better. :) Someone else with a little more experience in backup up XP want to help?

    -M.

  • lordos2

    I have used partimage from a linux bootable cd like knoppix and a fue others. Works real good, will backup all data byte for byte and does the whole partition minus open space and you can set the file backup sizes to whatever size you want.

  • Emtwo

    At my office I use several backup methods at the same time. This is to ensure data redundancy and access. Tapes suck. Don’t use them.

    We use two USB HDs, one directly connected to the server, and the other connected to my office machine. The server USB HD is backed up to using some server backup software that my senior IT guy got for us.

    I use a MSDOS batch file and good old xcopy to make a new directory everynight of all of the days changed files onto my USB HD. Every couple of weeks I burn those days to DL-DVDs. 8+ gig at a pop makes backing up not so much of a chore. I use NERO to do the burning.

    Every month, I make a new month dir, and put all of last months stuff into it. Its only a 400gig drive, and we generate alot of files every day, so I only have about 4 full months on immediate access, with everything up til last week on DVDs. I delete the oldest month when I notice that my HD free space is dropping about 10 gig.

    When the big one hits, the DVDs and my HD go with me, and the server HD goes with the boss.

    We’ve found that this system works well for us, and allows me to restore overwritten files in about 2-mins. Much better than 20mins finding the right tape, and two hours looking for the right file on the tape, all the time holding your breath and hoping the tape is actually any good.

  • RetroRick

    Briz’, as long as you’re switching over to Linux, you might want to try OpenOffice for any time that someone wants to send you a MS Word document. OpenOffice is fully compatible with Windows, Linux, and the Mac OS, is also open-source as well.

    As for versions of Linux, I’m surprised you’re not using Puppy Linux instead. Wasn’t it you that pointed that one out to me? :-)

  • Briza

    Briz’, as long as you’re switching over to Linux, you might want to try OpenOffice for any time that someone wants to send you a MS Word document. OpenOffice is fully compatible with Windows, Linux, and the Mac OS, is also open-source as well.

    As for versions of Linux, I’m surprised you’re not using Puppy Linux instead. Wasn’t it you that pointed that one out to me? :-)

    Hi Rick.

    Openoffice i’ll write that name down. As for saying to use puppy linux that was not me. Most likely Lordos2 or FWP. As they use Linux for their computer fun and work.

    laters

    Briza

  • mannequin

    Puppy Linux tends to be for older systems. It was created to run in low memory and slow CPU boxes, etc.

    [shameless_commercial]
    From what I’ve read (and used ;) ) Ubuntu seems to be the hot thing for switching over from Windows. Easy to install, learn, and use. I’ve just read a report, as well, that power users are liking Ubuntu, too.
    [/shameless_commercial]

    -M.

  • RetroRick

    As for saying to use puppy linux that was not me. Most likely Lordos2 or FWP.

    Actually, it might have been Spindly1970, if I have his name right.

    I think he also mentioned that CoCo 3 game idea that I volunteered to make, now that I think about it …

  • Briza
    As for saying to use puppy linux that was not me. Most likely Lordos2 or FWP.

    Actually, it might have been Spindly1970, if I have his name right.

    I think he also mentioned that CoCo 3 game idea that I volunteered to make, now that I think about it …

    Hi Rick.

    Yeap that would be Buddha(Spindly1970). He mentioned you were going to create his game idea once you get the time.

    laters

    Briza